I still suggest that for the remainder of this year members do not recommend this spa to anyone
and any reports or discussions on this spa by a newbie should be thoroughly checked and scrutinized

I hope they learn from this - it's not a bad joint, just trying too hard to make money - I say give them a chance - we don't want Mia/Kama to have a monopoly and to be honest Wish Spa has been the only place to come close. Checking veracity of posts on it is a yes - but let's give Wish a chance. They got hammered over this and I feel bad

Then they need to sit down and think hard about their attitude towards their customers.  As with any business, it takes time to build up a reputation but no time at all to have it destroyed by poor service or an arrogant disregard of complaints.

Joy worked hard to establish Kama as an industry leader in the early days, including by introducing the tipless (I almost typed titless ) policy, which has been widely adopted. Her girls were well trained, and the premises a cut above. Given the plethora of “spas” mushrooming in the past couple of years, Kama/Mia is in no danger of turning into a monopoly. However more power to them if they can attract a larger clientele than other spas by giving the customer what he wants, which in most cases includes being treated with respect and, ideally, a modicum of GFE.

Is the massage at Kama/Mia actually any good?

People have described the experience there as being a king. Sounds great, but Im not interested if the massage is just mediocre to non existent.

I once had a massage, unknowingly a body to body (before I booked). And for 90 minutes the girl just gently stroked my body with hers.

I'm not really into hand jobs or HE in general, but on this occasion I felt like if I didnt get the HJ at the end, it would have been a total waste of money as the rest of experience was... boring.

If the massage aint good, then there is no redemption (for me).

Could you enjoy just the massage part at Kama/Mia?

For walk up 'spas' everything depends on the girl you get and there is no guarantee ! … and this includes any of the highly rated spas being talked about in this forum

Here's the deal.  Mia / Kama are pretty solid.  You know what you are going to get.  BUT they have become victim of their own success.  I'm now finding it hard to get a booking these days, as they are just so busy.  You can forget about walk in.

For a while Wish seemed like a good alternative with a few girls who had been around for a while.  However it seemed they couldn't keep a steady crop of girls for whatever reason.  The new managers / owners, or whatever seem to have changed things up for better or worse.  Let's see how it manages to survive, but clearly the way they have gone about things have annoyed a few people here.

In central it would be good to have a bit more selection and choice.  The obvious issue is the price.  These days you are lucky to get a rub and tug (or anything beyond that) in Central for less than HKD1k.

Also finding anything beyond rub and tug in Central has been a bit limited, but I guess rents in Central are what they are and its hard to compete.

At the end of the day though I guess with all spas, massage places, rub and tugs, or whatever else they are called its very much a case of YMMV.

I can only agree with the negative sentiment on Wish. Started off on a good footing - I know Annie well but she is not a patch on Joy and Mia/Kama.

I recollect going a few days ago - sometime after this management change. Was suckered into a 4 hand VIP (usually never go for 4 hand) with Yoyo
and Annie - though it would be worth it since Annie knows me and what I want well. It was ordinary at best. Have never been back there since.

On the other hand, Joy makes you feel super welcome even though I go infrequently - if you are lucky to know her. I remember feeling like having some
wine once at Mia, exchanged some messages with Joy and to my surprise, there was a knock at the door a few mins later with a bottle of wine. You just cannot beat that level of attention and service.

Wish has lost my business for the foreseeable future.

I have to say that punting in general at the moment is a bit hit and miss, I enjoyed my time at Kama with Ruby and also Bobo (forgot to report on that one). I also enjoyed seeing Cindy at wish recently, (really great part 1 but meh part 2). Thing is there's not a lot of variety available at the moment and the service is so so (using the bag things for BJ and using covid as an excuse...i hate those things).

I hope that things will be back to normal once the restrictions are lifted and the service will improve but I get the feeling that they have got used to charging a premium for crappy service, for example what used to cost 1300 at wish is now 1500! It's just not worth the money I am afraid.