Subject: Sophisms aka Sleight of mouth
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Post at 30-1-2008 12:27  Profile P.M. 
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Sophisms aka Sleight of mouth

Some examples ... might be useful in tight corners, but don't overuse : they get old very quickly

"You're late again, which means you don't love me."

Intent: I'm glad you care enough about me to be concerned about that.
Consequence: You're just trying to get me to always fit within your timetable.
Another Outcome: Would you have preferred me to cancel our dinner, if I knew I was going to be late?
Counter Example: Have you ever loved someone, but still been late?
Apply to Self: An accusation like that makes it sound like you don't love me.
Reality Strategy: How did you come to that conclusion? Has someone accused you of something similar in the past?
Model of the World: I'm guessing that it's not so much that I'm late, but you're concerned about me not focusing on the little things in our relationship.
Meta frame: Where did you learn that being on time equates to love?
Change Frame Size: Most people are late for meetings every day ... are you saying that none of them care?
Hierarchy of Criteria: Isn't it more important that I actually made the effort to get here, in spite of everything that happened along the way?
Chunk Down: What about all the times I have been on time?
Chunk Up: You're judging an entire relationship based on time-keeping?
Metaphor/Analogy: Isn't that like saying if you don't cook for me every time, you don't love me?
Redefine: You're saying a small delay defines an entire relationship?

"I am not going to do that—I am not that kind of person!"

Intent: It's great that you make decisions based on how you see yourself as a person.
Consequence: Why are you focused on decisions which avoid you having to leave the house?
Another Outcome: But if you don't do that, can you ever hope to develop into the person you'd like to become?
Counter Example: Have you ever done something that you didn't think was "you", yet you really enjoyed it?
Apply to Self: You're not the kind of person to pre-judge, yet here you are - pre-judging.
Reality Strategy: And exactly what kind of person do you have to be to do that kind of thing?
Model of the World: Does everyone who is afraid to try something new say that?
Meta frame: You're only saying that because you're afraid of what others might think.
Change Frame Size: Yeah, that's right. Only a truly open-minded person would do that.
Hierarchy of Criteria: What's more important, trying new things and expanding your horizons or being safe and restricted in your tiny comfort zone?
Chunk Down: What kind of person would that make you, specifically?
Chunk Up: Do you always get out of trying new things by making excuses?
Metaphor/Analogy: People aren't born astronauts.
Redefine: You don't have to tie up your identity with a few actions.
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Post at 30-1-2008 20:43  Profile P.M. 
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Reply #1 cherry_picker's post

so true..........

I get this shit all the time........whatever ways u try to bush around....u will get the wrong defination from her........gals are just too sophisicated!!!!!

But then...........try not to say anything and keep silence....u get more bash!!!!




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Post at 30-1-2008 21:57  Profile P.M. 
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Reply #2 hunter's post

Where do you find them?
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Post at 31-1-2008 03:41  Profile P.M. 
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Reply #2 hunter's post

Actually I meant my post as a helping tool for bros on this forum ;) But you are right, women are more skillful with language than most men ...
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Post at 31-1-2008 09:09  Profile P.M. 
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Just keep nodding and say "Yes dear!"

Only exception is when she ask you "Do I look fat?"
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Post at 31-1-2008 10:41  Profile P.M. 
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I guess the focus in life might be different. We tend to focus on work/job and fun things (multi-targeted), while women may be focusing more on their sole target--us . I am always amazed at the memory capability of my GF who can clearly recall things that we did together for the last 10 years.
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Originally posted by nikkeimaster at 31/1/08 10:41
I am always amazed at the memory capability of my GF who can clearly recall things that we did together for the last 10 years....

That's the time, as SNP says - just keep nodding and say "Yes dear".    

I'm always worried about recalling things I did with the wife years ago. A few times the wife has looked at me and said ...  "That wasn't me".  
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Post at 31-1-2008 14:38  Profile P.M. 
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never let a woman have the final say .........................

sorry But I am Chinese
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Reply #7 Jake's post

Yeah, and when you say 'yes dear' they turn around and tell you you're not talking enough with each other
or you're not taking her seriously !!!

My golden rule with women - you can never win, just be the spineless jellyfish which God created men to be ...
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Reply #8 sulasno's post

Sul - you've never been married have you ?

Man, I never get intimidated by anyone - except by my wife - the things they bring back out from the past
is unbelieveable !!!  I just turn into a whimp

All I can say is if any man who doesn't want their woman to have the final say - be with her for no more then 2 - 3
years, otherwise your ass is hers to do with !

I have a good friend - he was a man's man 20 years ago - first 4-5 years of marrage the wife had to endure whatever
she was told and did whatever she was told ... now he's just another whimp almost as bad as me !!!
Women instinctively know how to tighten their noose around their man's neck if you give them enough time  

[ Last edited by  twiceAweek at 31-1-2008 15:37 ]
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Reply #10 twiceAweek's post

That's because women are usually right. They have an uncanny ability to see through whatever bullshit we try to tell them. And then if they discover we've lied to them once or twice, never again do they believe anything we say - even if it's true.

And Chinese women are the most skeptical, unforgiving creatures on the planet. They often know what I really mean even before I do.




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Post at 31-1-2008 15:47  Profile P.M. 
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#10

married?

daughter-in-law complaining to Mother-out-law !@#$%^&*()_

Mother-in-law says "huh" .....................................................



guess I'm lucky
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Reply #10 twiceAweek's post

You're right, women are relentless - they just wear you down over time until you just can't fight anymore.
Now I just say yes to everything. But I still have my secret life - the one thing she can't control.  
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I stopped being lazy and searched my Opera bookmark (yeah, Opera rocks for that). I found this old gem:

http://www.virtualsalt.com/rhetoric.htm

*very* long, but *very* instructive. Please make the world a favor and don't show it to any woman. They are already good enough without that
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